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No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing both race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order, and the contents of one step can't qualify you for the same step (so you can't use a race's benefits to qualify for a class).

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at “1st” level.

Failing that, there is always your 2nd class level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at “1st” level.

Failing that, there is always your 2nd class level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing both race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order, and the contents of one step can't qualify you for the same step (so you can't use a race's benefits to qualify for a class).

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at “1st” level.

Failing that, there is always your 2nd class level!

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No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at 1st“1st” level.

Failing that, there is always your 2nd class level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at 1st level.

Failing that, there is always 2nd level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at “1st” level.

Failing that, there is always your 2nd class level!

actually racial HD count as existing levels
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No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

This holds true even for feats granted by racial hit dice during character creation, since you choose race and class together before taking any feats you might be granted by your racial HD. There is one situational exception with racial HDway around this though: ifracial HD. If your character has been adventuring foris of a whilerace that starts with no class levels and only racial HD, then you will havethey may already selected your feats; if you then advance, yourhave feats may allow youdue to qualify for your "1st" level in a classthe racial HD.

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Failing that, there is always 2nd level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

This holds true even for feats granted by racial hit dice during character creation, since you choose race and class together before taking any feats you might be granted by your racial HD. There is one situational exception with racial HD though: if your character has been adventuring for a while with no class levels and only racial HD, then you will have already selected your feats; if you then advance, your feats may allow you to qualify for your "1st" level in a class.

Your DM may allow you to just say that your minotaur has been adventuring for a while and you already have the feats before picking your class, but don't be surprised if this kind of character-creation shenanigans gets shot down as an obvious shell game. Besides, if your DM doesn't buy it you can always get the PrC at 2nd level!

No. You can't take the feats granted by your new level until you choose a class, and you need those to qualify for the class. More generally, the level you're taking can't satisfy the requirements for the new class you're taking.

Player's Handbook page 6 details the steps of character creation. The very first one is choosing race and class, while choosing feats is one of the last steps. This structure is repeated at level-up (pp. 58–9), with step one being choosing your class for the level and step seven being choosing your feats. You can't do these in a different order.

That means that, regardless of whether it is your 1st or 20th level, you must already qualify for a class before choosing it, since choosing it is step 1.

There is one way around this though: racial HD. If your character is of a race that starts with racial HD, they may already have feats due to the racial HD. (Since these function as existing levels, you already have all the benefits of these HD, including feat choices, when you choose your 1st class level.) With enough racial HD, you can choose feats that will let you qualify for the Forsaken PrC at 1st level.

Failing that, there is always 2nd level!

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