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Without Improved Unarmed Strike, does an improved disarm attempt provoke attacks of opportunity?

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Improved Disarm without Without Improved Unarmed Strike - Attack of Opportunity, does an improved disarm attempt provoke?

A player is fighting withPC wields a one1-handed weapon and no weapon in the off handone-handed. He wants to make a disarmdisarm attempt with his unarmed offempty hand. He does haveThe PC possesses the Improved Disarm feat Improved Disarm but not the Improved Unarmed Strike feat (and is no monk)Improved Unarmed Strike or any other similar ability.

I claim,think that hethe PC provokes an attack of opportunity for making anthe disarm attempt unarmed strike against an opponent. Put simply, I interpretread disarm as an attack.

HeThe PC's player claims, that hehis PC does not provoke an attack of opportunity for three reasons. A disarm is not an attack as such, but an attack-equivalent action, which he simply interprets as a standard action. Secondly he claims that Improved Disarm overrules unarmed strike rules in this particular case. Thirdly he considers himself armed, because he has a melee weapon in his primary hand.

So here are the rules:

  • For disarming: As a melee attack, you may attempt to disarm your opponent (...) You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to disarm. (If you have the Improved Disarm feat, you don’t incur an attack of opportunity for making a disarm attempt.) If the defender’s attack of opportunity deals any damage, your disarm attempt fails. (PHB 155)

  • For unarmed attacks: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. (PHB 139)

  1. A disarm is not an attack as such, but an attack-equivalent action, which he simply interprets as a standard action.
  2. The Improved Disarm feat overrules the unarmed strike rules in this particular case.
  3. The PC's considered armed because the PC's still wielding a melee weapon.

So who isWho's right?

Improved Disarm without Improved Unarmed Strike - Attack of Opportunity

A player is fighting with a one-handed weapon and no weapon in the off hand. He wants to make a disarm attempt with his unarmed off hand. He does have the Improved Disarm feat but not the Improved Unarmed Strike feat (and is no monk).

I claim, that he provokes an attack of opportunity for making an unarmed strike against an opponent. I interpret disarm as an attack.

He claims, that he does not provoke an attack of opportunity for three reasons. A disarm is not an attack as such, but an attack-equivalent action, which he simply interprets as a standard action. Secondly he claims that Improved Disarm overrules unarmed strike rules in this particular case. Thirdly he considers himself armed, because he has a melee weapon in his primary hand.

So here are the rules:

  • For disarming: As a melee attack, you may attempt to disarm your opponent (...) You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to disarm. (If you have the Improved Disarm feat, you don’t incur an attack of opportunity for making a disarm attempt.) If the defender’s attack of opportunity deals any damage, your disarm attempt fails. (PHB 155)

  • For unarmed attacks: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. (PHB 139)

So who is right?

Without Improved Unarmed Strike, does an improved disarm attempt provoke?

A PC wields a 1-handed weapon one-handed. He wants to make a disarm attempt with his empty hand. The PC possesses the feat Improved Disarm but not the feat Improved Unarmed Strike or any other similar ability.

I think that the PC provokes an attack of opportunity for making the disarm attempt unarmed. Put simply, I read disarm as an attack.

The PC's player claims that his PC does not provoke an attack of opportunity for three reasons:

  1. A disarm is not an attack as such, but an attack-equivalent action, which he simply interprets as a standard action.
  2. The Improved Disarm feat overrules the unarmed strike rules in this particular case.
  3. The PC's considered armed because the PC's still wielding a melee weapon.

Who's right?

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