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The rules on attacking creatures from hiding are:

When a creature can't see you, you have advantage on attack rolls against it. If you are hidden–both unseen and unheard–when you make an attack, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses.

Is your location "given away" to a blind & deaf creature that otherwise has no way to percieve you normally? What about if it is not the one being attacked?

(For clarity, the creature does not have truesight or blindsight or any other special senses. If it were next to you it could perceive you by touch, but in this situation it is not)

To that creature, you will be "unseen and unheard" before you make the attack, during it, and after it.

I think that this hinges on exactly what "give away your location" means. It could mean "all creatures in the combat know where you are", or it could mean "all creatures capable of perceiving you know where you are", or something else.

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    \$\begingroup\$ @NautArch Given that Vigil says "a ... creature that otherwise has no way to percieve [sic] you normally", I was assuming that the creature in question has no extra senses like blindsight or tremorsense, and that they aren't, say, a wolf who might be able to smell you. I think maybe the focus on blind & deaf specifically is perhaps misleading... \$\endgroup\$ – NathanS Jun 22 '18 at 15:42
  • \$\begingroup\$ @NautArch NathanS is correct. I was focusing on blindness and deafness because of the text which says "unseen and unheard", and pointing out that that remained true for the duration of this situation. But yes, no special senses. \$\endgroup\$ – Vigil Jun 22 '18 at 16:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ @PJRZ This question arose from the comments on this answer: rpg.stackexchange.com/a/124975/42959 - essentially if a blind and deaf creature who is not even the one being attacked gets the location of a previously-hidden creature revealed to them when they attack out of hiding, then probably taking the Hide action is the only way for creatures to not know your location on the battlefield. On the other hand if that location is not revealed to that creature, then not seeing or hearing a creature might be sufficient to not know their exact location. \$\endgroup\$ – Vigil Jun 22 '18 at 16:25
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Yes, to an extent

The creature would certainly feel a successful attack despite being blind and deaf! A missed attack? Well, he may feel the 'whoosh' of a blade or arrow passing by but this could require some DM adjudication (perhaps a perception check at disadvantage but only if the creature is aware of a potential danger).

If this was a melee attack that would certainly be enough to give away a rough location. For a ranged attack this becomes much harder and as a DM I would rule that the creature would only know the rough direction that the attack came from but probably not the distance (and not enough for a ranged counter-attack).

Either way, the creature would certainly know that someone is out there trying to hurt them.

If the creature was not the one being attacked:

In this case I can't really see how the creature - if they have no other sense at all - could possibly know the attacker is there (unless the attack happens close enough, and the creature is aware of potential danger, to maybe feel the 'whooshes' of swinging blades as described in the other case).

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Good answer for when this creature is the one being attacked. I wonder if you could offer any thoughts on the answer when a different creature is being attacked? i.e. the text says "you give away your location" - is it truly "given away" to a blind and deaf creature that doesn't even have the swish of a sword or the woosh of an arrow to help them know the right direction? \$\endgroup\$ – Vigil Jun 22 '18 at 16:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Vigil: Sorry, I didn't see the point about the creature not being the one attacked. In this case I can't really see how the creature - if they have no other sense at all - could possibly know the attacker is there (unless the attack happens close enough, and the creature is aware of potential danger, to maybe feel the 'whooshes' of swinging blades as I described in my answer). \$\endgroup\$ – PJRZ Jun 22 '18 at 16:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ I added it afterwards, so not your fault! Thanks. \$\endgroup\$ – Vigil Jun 22 '18 at 16:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ I've added your comment into the answer body to address the other case, hope you don't mind :) \$\endgroup\$ – Vigil Aug 6 at 9:59
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No, it would not.

That creature has no means to perceive you in general. If they can't see or hear you and do not have any special senses that would make them aware, then they are barely able to interact with the environment beyond touch as-is. Even if they 'felt' an attack (which would also be at advantage against them), they have no means of determining where that attack came from.

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