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I have a question about the DnD 5E Ranger Hunter Multiattack Defense feature.

Should you or do you get Multiattack Defense against legendary actions? For example, when you get a bite and two claw attacks from a dragon you obviously get Multiattack Defense if one of those hits and when the dragon ends its turn you go back to normal AC.

However, as the players in the round take their turns, the dragon can use its legendary action points to tail strike you every single turn until it runs out of legendary action points. So the real question is, the PHB reads that you would have normal AC for every legendary action since it's a new turn, but the designed intention of the feat makes me think you should have +4 AC. Has this been answered by a developer?

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Multiattack Defense only helps against legendary actions with multiple attacks

The ranger's Hunter archetype Multiattack Defense feature states:

When a creature hits you with an attack, you gain a +4 bonus to AC against all subsequent attacks made by that creature for the rest of the turn.

The text for legendary actions states

A legendary creature can take a certain number of special actions--called legendary actions--outside its turn. Only one legendary action option can be used at a time and only at the end of another creature's turn.

If the dragon hit you on its turn triggering Multiattack Defense, the first time it will be able to attack you again with a legendary action will be outside its turn, that is, not during the turn where it hit you. The Multiattack Defense it triggered during its turn does not apply any more.

The end of a creature's turn is part of that creature's turn. The legendary attack does not happen on the dragon's turn, but it happens on the character's turn.

There are actually a few select monsters that have multiple attack options with their legendary action, for example Eberron's Sul Katesh can make multiple attacks with her arcane blast, Jarlaxle Baenre can make multiple attacks with his daggers, and a Giff Warlord from Boo's Astral Menagerie can make two morningstar attacks. If one of them attacked you at the end of your or another character's turn, and hit you with the first attack, this would trigger Multiattack Defense for the subsequent attacks.

For the dragon however, which only can make a single attack with its legendary actions, it will not do you any good.


P.S. A possible exception is if the dragon hit you with an attack on a turn that is not its own, for example it could have had a readied action to bite anybody who comes into reach, or it could bite you as you move out of its reach as an opportunity attack. In those cases, it could successfully bite you, and then at the end of that same turn, as it is not its turn, hit you with a legendary attack. Since that would still be the same turn, your Multiattack Defense would kick in here. (Thanks to @MJD to point out the corner case).

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    \$\begingroup\$ This assumes that the legendary creature only attacks on its own turn. If it hit you on your turn (for example with an attack of opportunity) and then used a legendary action at the end of your turn, Multiattack Defense would apply. \$\endgroup\$
    – MJD
    Commented Jan 30, 2023 at 14:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MJD, yes that is right. It is not the scenario presented in the question, but I'll add this corner case to make this airtight. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 30, 2023 at 15:48
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Technically, Multiattack Defense doesn’t trigger on Legendary Actions ever.

Multiattack defense states:

Multiattack Defense

When a creature hits you with an attack, you gain a +4 bonus to AC against all subsequent attacks made by that creature for the rest of the turn.

I have emphasized “rest of the turn” because Legendary Actions occur between turns, not on a turn:

A legendary creature can take a certain number of special actions — called legendary actions — outside its turn. Only one legendary action option can be used at a time and only at the end of another creature’s turn.

Since Legendary Actions occur between turns, there is no “rest of the turn” where you would have the +4 AC.

However, it makes sense to let it work anyway on Legendary Actions that feature multiple attacks per single action.

This is obviously (at least to me) just a bug in the rules, so to speak, caused by the weirdness of Legendary Actions occurring between turns. It makes much more sense to allow Multiattack Defense to work against a Legendary Action involving multiple attacks.

Either way, Multiattack Defense would not trigger against multiple, single attack Legendary Actions.

Multiattack Defense is designed to work against the subsequent attacks of an action involving multiple attacks. If a Legendary Action only includes one attack, Multiattack Defense never triggers. As you observe, if the dragon uses another Legendary Action at the end of a later turn, it is a new turn, and once again, Multiattack Defense does not trigger.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I think this is correct and is what they meant. I'm not sure if it not working against legendary actions is a bug though... these are not part of a multiattack (even if the feature name has no rules impact), they are separate attacks. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 20:46
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    \$\begingroup\$ @GroodytheHobgoblin Does it make sense now? There’s three different threads I’m trying to address here, so it might get confusing. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 20:51
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    \$\begingroup\$ Maybe technically, it's not actually happening "between" turns, its "at the end of the (player characters) turn", so it might still be the player characters turn. Like in M:tG, "at the end of the turn" is also not between turns, the end of the turn is part of the turn. So it'll work as you suggest, even without needing to call a bug here. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 21:00
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    \$\begingroup\$ Do you have any reason for your conclusion that “at the end of another creature’s turn” is outside that turn. It’s clearly outside the legendary creature’s turn but I don’t think it is outside the turn it’s at the end of. Something “at the end of the street”, or “the end of the game”, or “the end of the World” is, in normal usage, within each of those things if “the end” is referring to something of extended duration or length (as in normal English rather than in an overly mathematical instant or point) \$\endgroup\$
    – Dale M
    Commented Jan 30, 2023 at 4:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ There are several effects that happen at the start/end of a creature's turn - damage from persistent spells, expiry of buffs, etc. I don't think they happen outside of the turn, either. You don't have A's turn, then a between-turn period when end of A & start of B effects happen, then B's turn. You have A's turn (start, middle, and end) then B's turn (start, middle, and end). \$\endgroup\$
    – Adeptus
    Commented Jan 30, 2023 at 5:00

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