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In our D&D 3.5 campaign, for years, we have followed the rule provided in the Monster Manual 1 on the incorporeal subtype. Summarizing: corporeals that hit an incorporeal have a 50% chance to miss, whereas incorporeals do not have any miss chance when hitting corporeals (as there is no mention of this in the description of the incorporeal subtype).

This is in line with an answer given to a previous question from 2012: Are ghost touch weapons the only way to bypass the 50% chance to ignore damage against or by incorporeal creatures?

Of course, players in our campaign have followed the same rules, as they could go incorporeal with spells or their prestige class features.

Nonetheless, I have recently found the spell ghostform (Spell Compendium, page 103), whose description mentions that incorporeals have a 50% miss chance when hitting corporeals:

Your attacks while in ghostform pass through (ignore) natural armor, armor, and shields, although deflection bonuses and force effects (such as mage armor) work normally against you. Nonmagical attacks you make with a melee weapon have no effect on corporeal targets, and any melee attack you make with a magic weapon against a corporeal target has a 50% miss chance, except for attacks you make with a ghost touch weapon, which are made normally (no miss chance). Spells you cast while in ghostform affect corporeal targets normally, including spells that require you to make an attack roll (such as rays or melee touch spells).

Do characters that become incorporeal (in any sort of way, e.g. spell, class feature, etc.) have a 50% miss chance when trying to hit a corporeal creature? What's the general rule?

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    \$\begingroup\$ Unless I'm missing something (and I'd love to be corrected if I do), this doesn't seem to be stack answerable. The title question is pure survey which doesn't work here, and I'm not seeing a real problem in the body (but maybe it just drowned in between the lines?). This reads like it's just "I made this change, do you want to talk about it" to which the old adage that SE is a Q&A site, not a traditional forum might be useful. Questions should have a clear problem they want solved. [Oh, and you can edit this and when it's workable it'll be reopened.) \$\endgroup\$
    – Someone_Evil
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 13:13
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Someone_Evil I think the subtext is Is this change to incorporealness balanced? but it would be nice were that instead text. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 13:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ @HeyICanChan That seems like a reasonable possibility. Some words on what "balanced" means in 3.5e would also be good, no? (I ask this as mostly familiar with 3.5 from the gallery, as it were). Digius, your last paragraph seems to have had it's last half eaten by something, though I might just be better to trim it altogether as I'm not seeing what useful context it has on your question. \$\endgroup\$
    – Someone_Evil
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 13:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ The question seems perfectly clear to me as “source A doesn’t say anything about this, but source B claims it does: what’s the actual rule?” \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 15:12
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    \$\begingroup\$ @KRyan looking back, the original version was badly opinion based. This version is as you say. \$\endgroup\$
    – fectin
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 16:20

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The effect of being incorporeal was updated in Monster Manual III (the updated version is also reprinted in Rules Compendium and Tome of Battle, and possibly elsewhere). Strictly speaking, there are problems with supplements updating core rules, which may interest you, but ultimately you probably want to use the update.

Anyway, ghostform is more consistent with the updated version of incorporeal. The rule about nonmagical incorporeal weapons having no effect on corporeal targets, and magical incorporeal weapons having a 50% chance of effect, is the same both for ghostform and the updated rules for incorporeal creatures.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you very much for the time to write the answer, very helpful. I found it curious that in the MM V the incorporeal subtype description does not mention spells casted by incorporeals at all. \$\endgroup\$
    – Digius
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 23:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Digius “Similarly, spells cast by an incorporeal creature affect corporeal creatures normally,” Monster Manual V pg. 213. This is consistent with what’s printed in Monster Manual III, Rules Compendium, and Tome of Battle, as well as with ghostform. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Feb 22, 2022 at 23:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ Can't believe I read it 3 times and I wrote the comment because I could not find it! Thank you for correcting me, I found it now. \$\endgroup\$
    – Digius
    Commented Feb 23, 2022 at 0:18

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