Let's assume my monk has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.

1.) When I use two daggers, one with Ki-Weapon and another magic dagger, do the magic features of the Ki-Weapon and the magic dagger stack?

It says so in this forum thread:

There is no effect at all of having a second weapon. If you have Two Weapon Fighting then it adds +1 damage to your primary attacks. The only real effect is that you can switch between the weapons whenever you want and you can gain the benefits of the magic abilities of both.

...but I can't really imagine this is true because this could be pretty strong.

2.) If so, would it be possible to use a Ki Focus and two magic weapons then, stacking properties and powers from three places?


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It depends on the magic items in question.

It doesn't matter how many weapons or implements you equip/wield, you can only use 1 weapon or implement (the ki focus can be used through a weapon, but this counts as using the ki focus and not the weapon) on an attack.

Enhancement bonuses from multiple weapons or implements do not stack; only the enhancement bonus of whatever you use for the attack is added. The feat Dual Implement Spellcaster allows you to add a bonus equal to a 2nd implement's enhancement bonus to damage on arcane powers, but that's about the only way around this limitation.

Other properties may stack depending on how they're phrased. If the item's property says something along the lines of "when you attack with this weapon" then it can only be used when that's what you're attacking with. If the property has no such restriction then you get the benefit even when you attack with something else, though relatively few such properties are related to attacks.

Note that the Two Weapon Fighting feat has nothing to do with any of this. Any character can wield 2 one-handed weapons this way. That feat has nothing to do with magic items. Further, Two Weapon Fighting only adds its bonus to weapon attacks, which monks don't usually make.

  • \$\begingroup\$ It might be worth mentioning that Monks uses Implements, and won't gain any benefit from the Two Weapon Fighting feat. (and the Dual Implement Caster feat only applies to Arcane powers). \$\endgroup\$
    – Lucifer
    Mar 25, 2014 at 23:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ Dual Implement Spellcaster gives you an unnamed bonus, not item. \$\endgroup\$
    – András
    Mar 26, 2014 at 10:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you very much. One other example: A monk has the feat Two-Weapon Defense (prerequisites Two-Weapon Fighting) and is holding a dagger with Ki-Weapon enchantment and another with a property to change damage to necrotic. I won't get the +1 damge from the Fighting feat but the +1 to defense and AC from the Defense feat, right? As well I make more damage when using my flurry and I can change damage into necrotic as long as the power has the implement keyword. Do I understand this correctly? \$\endgroup\$
    – telandor
    Mar 26, 2014 at 11:35
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    \$\begingroup\$ @telandor that's correct, as the +1 to damage is only on weapon attacks. If you use a power with the weapon keyword then it applies (your Melee Basic attack is a good example) \$\endgroup\$
    – wax eagle
    Mar 26, 2014 at 12:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ "If the property has no such restriction then you get the benefit even when you attack with something else" This is not true, see Adventurer's Vault page 56. \$\endgroup\$
    – András
    Mar 27, 2014 at 10:17

A) Two-Weapon Fighting mostly has no effect on a Monk. It only applies to Weapon attacks, and Monks have none of those.

B) Weapons in your other hand do not affect your attacks, as described in the Adventurer's Vault page 56:

Weapon Properties: Many weapons have properties that provide a constant benefit. To gain the benefit of a weapon’s property, you must be wielding the weapon. Unless specified otherwise, a property affects only the weapon to which it’s attached.

So Vanguard only applies if you attack with that weapon. Actually, every weapon property should be read as "if you attack with this weapon", if it makes sense. So non-attack properties and powers are legal.

For example Weapon of Defense gives you resist all 1 when you hold it, because this property is not connected to attacking.

C) Implements do not fall under the above mentioned rule. Rain of Hammers is such a popular utility (as in not-attacking) ki focus because its property triggers no matter what you use to kill that enemy. Weapons used as implements (like heavy blades for Swordmasters) are still Weapons and are included in the rule.

As Oblivious Sage pointed out there are some ways to add damage from the off-hand weapon, the Dual Implement Spellcaster is one prominent example, but it is not really good for a Monk as it has no Arcane powers. You can get some with Hybrid or Multiclass, but it is far from optimal.

In conclulsion: Weapons in your off-hand can be really valuable, but not in attacking. They can increase your Shield bonus (Rhythm Blade), or improve your Initiative, or many other thing however.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Sorry to ask again, but if I understand this correctly, a Ki Weapon (Once per turn, when you use your Flurry of Blows power, it deals 2 extra damage to its targets.) in one hand and a Blurred Strike Ki Focus (states explicitly that this focus must be used for the attacks) in the other hand and attacking with the Ki Focus won't stack because they both support attacking? Although the Ki Weapon doesn't say that I need to make my attacks with it? \$\endgroup\$
    – telandor
    Apr 24, 2014 at 19:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ No, the Flurry of Blows is not part of the attack you make. If it gave +2 to damage rolls, it would not work. Giving +2 Flurry is like giving +2 to Perception, it works because it is unrelated. \$\endgroup\$
    – András
    Apr 29, 2014 at 10:56

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