I was thinking of a way to cast haste on an enemy, and then stop concentrating on the spell in the enemy's turn (no action required). The idea is to make the enemy waste 2 turns.

The last paragraph of the haste spell says

When the spell ends, the target can’t move or take actions until after its next turn, as a wave of lethargy sweeps over it. PHB 250

My interpretation of this is that if the caster stops concentrating on the spell, the target will lose his next turn, and if I stop concentrating on the spell during the target's turn, he will lose his current turn as well.

The spell needs a willing target, so we need to "convince" him that he wants that spell. This was covered in this answer Can you make an unwilling creature willing? In other words, what defines “willing”?. We can say that suggestion, charm, dominate and bluff can work to make a target willing.

Some of these spells, like suggestion and dominate person, have concentration. When the caster casts haste while concentrating on one of those spells, he will lose concentration.

This answer (sorry for selfquote), When exactly does a concentration spell end from casting another one?, points out that 2 spells that needs concentration can't be at the same time. When you cast the second, the first ends inmediatly. The haste scenerio seems a bit different, you change one concentration for another, "you can't concentrate on two spells at once", if this interpretation is correct, the haste spell "switchs" with the other spell.

Also in this answer How does wild shape interact with dominate beast?. We know that when a target is no longer a valid target for the spell, the spell ends. Maybe I'm going crazy bananas here, but that may mean that when the target doesn't want to be hasted anymore (he's not willing anymore), the spell ends. If my interpretation is right, the target will lose only his next turn.

So this opens some questions: Does the casting of haste fail because the target is not willing anymore? Does the target stop being a willing target and the haste spell will end? Does the spell just work as usual?

And then we have the final question, related to the caster and spell timing, and probably some metagaming on the turn order. Can the caster stop concentrating on the haste spell during the target's turn to make it waste 2 turns?

Edit: English is not my native language, I'm sorry if things went a bit messy.

  • \$\begingroup\$ I've reopened, but I would be remiss not to point out that one of your questions is answered here. \$\endgroup\$ – Miniman Mar 26 '17 at 12:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Miniman I'm aware of that answer, and thought about it a bit. But I think this points to something different, I assume that both spells can't work at the same time. My logic is that you need a valid target to cast a spell, so if you're able to cast haste, is because the target is valid. I don't know if that logic is right. I'll edit the question and clarify. \$\endgroup\$ – Escroteitor Mar 26 '17 at 14:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm getting very confused by this question. There appears to be answers in the question itself and there are two questions inside the single question which I thought was a no-no. \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Mar 27 '17 at 15:36
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    \$\begingroup\$ @NautArch The answers within the question are the OP's stance as well as support for that stance, but the OP is still unsure if they are correct. They're simply showing that they have an idea about the answer. As for having multiple questions, they seem to be related. Although yes, there is a case to be made that this particular question needs to be split up into two... having two closely related questions in itself isn't a "no-no" by default. \$\endgroup\$ – user27327 Mar 27 '17 at 15:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ "Does the casting of haste fail because the target is not willing anymore?" Anymore after what? You haven't really described a catalyst to cause the enemy to become unwilling. \$\endgroup\$ – inthemanual Mar 27 '17 at 15:51

This can work

And congratulations on thinking up of a creative use of a buff spell. I like this unconventional application of Haste, as I love that spell myself. Of course, you would probably get more use out of this if you buffed your allies instead. :)

  1. Does the casting of haste fail because the target is not willing anymore? Does the target stop being a willing target and the haste spell will end? Does the spell just work as usual?

    • RAI: Yes, haste does end. If you take a look at this Sage Advice, Jeremy Crawford says that a spell which requires a willing target takes the creature's will to help fuel the spell. This implies that their ongoing consent is a requirement to keep the magic alive.
  2. Can the caster stop concentrating on the haste spell during the target's turn to make it waste 2 turns?

    • Yes, as you can stop concentrating at any time without expending any resources. This includes at the start of their turn.

    • If the target becomes an invalid target, the spell ends on them. Haste says: "When the spell ends, the target can’t move or take actions until after its next turn, as a wave of lethargy sweeps over it." So they cannot take an action until the end of their next turn.

    • Normally, you only lose 1 turn when Haste ends. This is because it typically ends at the end of your turn (after which it has fulfilled the full 1 minute duration), or you lose concentration of it during some other creature's turn (therefore there is no current turn to lose). But let's say you cast it on yourself, and you lose concentration on it at the start of your turn, you actually become lethargic immediately, and therefore lose that current turn as well as your own next turn.

    • This means, if the target becomes unwilling at the end of their turn, taking into account the answer from #1, they only lose one turn due to the spell ending on them.

Making a Target Willing Against Their Will

  1. The most unambiguous and cheapest means to do this is Charm Person. It does not require concentration and lasts for an hour. A creature charmed by this spell regards you as a friendly acquaintance.

    • Depending on the DM, the fact they are friendly to you may not be enough to call them willing targets of the haste spell. In which case, you may have to make a Persuasion check to convince them to let their speed be bolstered by your magic, as you are friendly acquaintances, after all.
  2. A more ambiguous -- but still reasonably valid -- method of making a creature willing is the Command spell. If you give it a command to become willing, then it becomes willing for 1 round without concentration. Commands that might accomplish this would be "submit", "surrender", "yield", or "succumb".

  3. A high level spell which can definitely do the trick is Mass Suggestion, which is Suggestion but without concentration. So you can suggest to them to "become willing to allow me to enhance your speed with my magic".

  4. Another spell which can technically do this, but is not really useful in combat, is Geas. If you command them to "always be willing to let me enhance your speed with my magic", then they must be willing targets of haste or take 5d10 psychic damage. If they become unwilling of their own accord, they take the damage and lose a turn.

It doesn't work for a target under Suggestion, Dominate X, Friends, etc

If you made them willing by using a concentration spell such as Suggestion/Dominate X/Friends, then when you cast haste on them, your first spell will end and there is no time of overlap. This means it is questionable if they are willing in the first place, and hence they may be invalid targets of haste even before haste has been cast on them.

It is completely up to your DM to decide if they still become willing after the two spells (charm and haste) switch up.

If both spells overlap for a short period of time, they lose only 1 turn

Let's say your DM ruled that they remained to be willing targets of haste even after you lost concentration of your Suggestion/Dominate X/Friends spell. So they come under the effects of haste. However, if they immediately become unwilling targets after haste has been cast, haste ends immediately. They lose only their next turn, because it is still your turn now while you are switching the charm and haste spells.


Assuming a willing target, you could do this

After you cast Haste, targeting the enemy, you can release concentration on the opponent's turn.

You can end concentration at any time (no action required).

A willing creature, as defined in this answer, is one who consents to the casting of a spell. Whether a creature would be consenting to a hostile creature casting haste on it depends on it's ability to identify the spell, it's knowledge of it's effects, and it's relationship and faith in the caster. All of these things are under your DM's control, so only your DM can know if a creature would be willing to be targeted by the spell.

After it has consented to the spell, however, it seems unlikely that you would perform any action between the casting of the spell and its turn to make it suddenly unwilling, so the spell would be likely to be active until you choose to release it.


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